Message #775
From: "thesamer@interia.pl" <thesamer@interia.pl>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] If you thought Levi was insane …
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:32:12 +0100
Hello,
Matthew:
we are not insane but if one plays with puzzles having way more
configurations that atoms in the Universe (10^80) is not normal either.
:-) Something terribly went wrong with evolution if people can do that
(remembering that it was all about survival in 3D bushes :)
Result under 300 000 on such monster is truly unquestionably amazingly
efficient! Huge congratulations and respect, Matthew! Coming from
highlands of 5D surely will give you huge boost in 4D. I remember
looking on 2^4 after solving 5^4 and it seemed, as Melinda mentioned,
that I could solve this with my eyes closed. New program offers new
spectrum of moves on 2^4 so good luck with new record. I think it is now
possible to get sub60 twists (or even 50 twists if one is lucky). But I
really recommend new puzzles: 4D pyramid, prisms, ect. There is still
plenty records to gain for everybody :-)
Klauss:
- it is not what you wanted but still it can be helpful to construct
solution to your problem:
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MagicCube4D 3 0 6 {4,3,3} 3
0.036994469250059066 -0.07538850022451551 -0.23668017109024864
-0.9679516929534734
0.07714795153098913 0.7788631783066837 0.5888457470532142
-0.20169538723016242
-0.7741212066013144 0.4349869098281526 -0.4573655612014547
0.04836826640637566
-0.6272287942287117 -0.4455054565210889 0.6229445611103055
-0.14159449736279095
*
131,-1,2 160,-1,1 160,-1,1 131,1,2 160,1,1 160,1,1.
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Good luck with another try on 3^4 (I’ve broke Roice previous record
after third serious try (starting from circa 500, going to 400 something
and making 333 at the end with huge amount of effort), so you are on
good way and everything before you). Cutting another hundred twists from
solution will make you REALLY appreciate Roice solution, because no
matter what you do it seem that there is nothing to cut from solution
and still you are so far.
Roice, I always wonder why you won’t try 2^4 and other shortest
(especially now when there is plenty "smaller" puzzles)? :-)
Best,
Remi
matthewsheerin pisze:
>
> Hey guys,
> If you thought Levi was insane solving the 6^5, I wonder what you will
> think of me having just finished the 7^5. That’s right, for some
> reason I started it near the end of May this year, and finished
> yesterday yesterday on Friday 13th. I think Levi certainly wins on
> speed, maybe partially because I never managed to average even close
> to 6 hours a day, but I took 293280 twists as opposed to his >1.9
> million. And luckily I’m not superstitious or I would have had to have
> waited another day to finish it! So at last, the highest peak has been
> conquered.
>
> In his reply to my log file, Roice asked about my mood throughout the
> solve. Upon scrambling my first impression was, understandably, fear.
> Several times during the solve when I was faced with a new section of
> randomly distributed blobs across the screen the view was terrifying.
> Sometimes it just became a little tedious (13672 moveable pieces can
> have that effect). But now and then it was rather fun and interesting
> when I had to think myself out of a new and mind-bending predicament.
> I had a bit of a scare near the end of solving the 3C pieces, when I
> seemed to have 1 piece left which had 2 stickers swapped, which I
> didn’t think could be solved on its own. Thankfully I managed to find
> another of the same type of piece which wasn’t solved correctly
> earlier in the step and I could solve both simultaneously.
>
> He also asked how the program might be changed to help with the solve.
> I have to say that, for the most part, I found the software to be
> really useful, but there are a few things which were troublesome. One
> of the main problems was with the piece finding capability. While it
> is staggeringly useful for solving, it distinguishes pieces only by
> colour, and no further distinction is made between various types of
> pieces with the same colour combination. This isn’t a problem with the
> 3^5 as every piece has a unique combination, but where the larger
> cubes are concerned it can make things a little difficult. For the 1C
> pieces (maybe I should mention that my method was reduction, unlike
> Levi using cage), I could work around this problem. I used the
> capability to choose face colours to make the face I was working on
> yellow, solved faces white, and everything else grey, combined with
> only showing 1C pieces. Rather than having a mass of 625 pieces strewn
> across the screen (I have an interesting screenshot of this, its
> stunning and also pretty damn scary, I can upload it if anyone is
> curious) I could only see pieces I needed in the faces i was looking
> at. However, this wouldn’t work for the other pieces, and this was
> particularly annoying for the 2C pieces due to number (250 pieces
> visible is not very useful).
>
> Another problem was (for me, I don’t know if everyone has this
> problem) a glitchy macros feature. It worked fine usually and was
> invaluable, but had one predictable glitch, and one bizarre one, which
> I will leave as an open problem for the community to try and figure
> out. First, I had to close the program shortly after recording a macro
> I intended for long-term use, otherwise it would disappear. The second
> had a long story. When recording macros for matching up 4C pieces I
> used a commutator withing a commutator (I think it was actually 3
> comms.) So I used a macro which affected only 4C pieces (X), moved a
> few things around (Y), then the usual X’Y’, only to find it affected
> 3C pieces too. I changed the macro which affected only the 4C pieces
> to one which had the EXACT same effect, and it worked perfectly. Does
> anyone know what’s going on here? I’m sure I tried the first several
> times with the same effect.
>
> Now that I’ve finished solving Everest (I actually named the folder
> with my log file ‘everest’), I can sit back and enjoy the weird and
> wonderful new puzzles in 4D, which you now know why I didn’t have
> enough time to play with before! They look like a lot of fun :)
>
> Since I seem to have written a short novel here, I guess I should
> finish up. I would like to say a huge thank you to those involved in
> programming all these puzzles, and making them freely available to
> everyone. Melinda, Don, Roice and Jay (I think that’s everyone,
> apologies for anyone left out), you are amazing people for bringing
> these to life. They have given me, and many others, hours upon hours
> of enjoyment and I’m sure we all appreciate the effort you have all
> put in on our behalf. You have also rendered my usual sign-off line
> ‘happy hypercubing’ useless in the best way possible by making
> hyper-non-cubes available.
>
> Happy polytoping everyone ;)
> Matt
>
> P.S. Hi Klaus, as last time I will have a look at your parity problem
> and see if I can help any, but it will wait until morning :) Also well
> done to Remi for staying true to form and beating my 2^4 record by 1
> move exactly. Good work!
>
>
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