Message #2258

From: Roice Nelson <>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Regular abstract polytopes based on {5,3,4} and {4,3,5}
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:37:02 -0500

Hi Nan,

This is wonderful information, and puzzle versions definitely sound
realizable. I do not have access to Jstor, but would love to see a copy of
the paper.

As far as the coordinates being in Minkowski space, that means they are in
the Hyperboloid Model <>. I
have written code to go between this model and some other models
(Poincare/Klein), and I’m happy to share if you think it could help in your
adventures on this topic. It is code for 2D geometry, but should be
adaptable to the 3D case.


On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:48 AM, schuma <> wrote:

> Hello,
> The regular abstract polytopes based on hyperbolic tessellations {5,3,4}
> and {4,3,5} have been mentioned by Andrey several times here. Recently I
> read more about them and found Gruenbaum talked about a polytope formed by
> 32 hemidodecahedra, which was related to {5,3,4}. It should be this one:
> According to this page, it has 32 cells, each of which is a
> hemidodecahedron. It has 96 faces, 120 edges and 40 vertices. The vertex
> figure is an octahedron (note: not hemi-octahedron). Compared with the
> 11-cell and the 57-cell, this 32-cell received little attention.
> It has a dual, which is based on {4,3,5}:
> The 40 faces are cubes (not hemi-cubes). The vertex figure is a
> hemi-icosahedron.
> The vertex coordinates of {4,3,5} and {5,3,4} have been computed
> analytically and can be found in this paper [Garner, Coordinates for
> Vertices of Regular Honeycombs in Hyperbolic Space,
>, Table 1]. This is of course a good news for
> implementation. If any one wants to see the paper but has no access to
> Jstor please email me. The coordinates are in a Minkowskian space. I need
> to learn more hyperbolic geometry to understand the model.
> According to Colbourn and Weiss [A CENSUS OF REGULAR 3-POLYSTROMA ARISING
>], there
> are more abstract polytopes based on {5,3,4} and {4,3,5}. But they cannot
> be found in [] because this atlas
> contains information of "small" polytopes with up to 2000 symmetries.
> Fortunately, the 32-hemidodecahedral-cell and its dual, 40-cubic-cell have
> 1920 symmetries, which is just below the boundary. Something like 120-cell,
> and 57-cell etc are not there because they are too large. But these two
> things can keep me excited for a while.
> Nan