Message #402
From: Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] Conquered Everest?
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:21:50 -0700
I think the practical skills required to solve these puzzles without 
help are the same needed to solve any complex problem. That is the 
ability to systematically break a large problem down into a series of 
smaller ones.
Maybe someone will solve a 6D cube before too long. I suspect that is 
probably inevitable. My real question is whether that will be very fun. 
Maybe what we really need is a breakthrough in UI design that will allow 
sufficiently patient humans to solve cubes of any number of dimensions. 
I have difficulty imagining what might look like but I would not be 
surprised if the general design of such an interface might also be 
usefully applied to other very practical searching and optimizing 
problems. I would doubt that it would look like the MC4D interface but 
then I would not have guessed that a workable 5D version could be based 
on our design but clearly I was wrong. Perhaps with enough controls to 
show and hide carefully selected parts of the puzzles, a true 
n-dimensional UI really could be based on our design. I just don’t know.
-Melinda
Mark Oram wrote:
> Melinda,
>
> I too had the peaks in mind metaphorically. After all,
> if one likens the 3^5 to Everest, one needs other
> names to invoke for the 4^5 and 5^5, or n^6 etc.
> Perhaps humans will walk on the REAL Olympus Mons
> before a 3^6 solution exists??
>
> I have no doubt that you, or anyone else reading this,
> could solve the 3^5, or other variants, if you wanted
> to. Maybe the question then becomes (in the interests
> of starting a possible discussion) to what practical
> use if any could these accomplishments be put?
>
>
>
>
> — Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark,
>>
>> When I spoke about still-higher peaks I was still
>> talking about the 
>> metaphoric types. Most specifically, there are still
>> the 5^4 and the 
>> seductively symmetric 5^5 still waiting to be
>> climbed. Judging from your 
>> description of the difficulty of solving the 3^5 I
>> still stand by my 
>> prediction that we’re likely to see exactly one
>> solution to the 5^5. It 
>> sounds like it could take most of a year to
>> accomplish that and it’s 
>> hard to imagine more than one person finishing it
>> unless perhaps we end 
>> up with a race. Either way it sounds awful but
>> remember, any first 
>> solution will only happen once!  ;-)
>>
>> Thank you for your description of the process. It
>> made it possible for 
>> me to get an idea of how one might actually solve a
>> 5D cube which until 
>> now just seemed like a miracle.
>>
>> -Melinda
>>
>> markoram109 wrote:
>>     
>>> Melinda,
>>>
>>> Thank-you very much for your kind words of
>>>       
>> support: these really 
>>     
>>> make all the difference for me in these crazy
>>>       
>> undertakings :) 
>>     
>>> Certainly there are many higher peaks out there:
>>>       
>> Olympus Mons, on 
>>     
>>> the planet Mars, is 3x higher than Everest for a
>>>       
>> start, and I think 
>>     
>>> there are cliffs on Miranda (a moon of Uranus)
>>>       
>> even higher. So as 
>>     
>>> you say there are always new peaks to aim for.
>>>       
>> Still, I’m not sure 
>>     
>>> I’ll be emabrking on any of these new challenges
>>>       
>> just yet….
>>     
>>> What I will be doing soon is expanding just a
>>>       
>> little on how this 
>>     
>>> solution worked out for me, with the hope that it
>>>       
>> will be useful 
>>     
>>> (and inspiring?!) for anyone else attempting to
>>>       
>> solve any of the 5-D 
>>     
>>> versions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  — In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green
>>>       
>> <melinda@…> wrote:
>>     
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Hey, congratulations! That’s beyond amazing to
>>>>         
>> have solved a 5D cube. I haven’t even solved the 4D
>> version!
>>     
>>>> You did right by sending your log file to Roice
>>>>         
>> and I see that he’s added you to the
>> hall-of-insanity though I don’t see your log file 
>>     
>>>> listed there. BTW, even though you have clearly
>>>>         
>> conquered Everest, there are still higher peaks
>> waiting for the first person to conquer them too! 
>> ;-)
>>     
>>>> -Melinda
>>>>         
>>>   
>>>       
>
>
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